tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3498725671447004370.post2034560236493875072..comments2023-10-26T07:19:41.446-05:00Comments on Science Avenger: Rush Defenders Trying to Have it Both WaysScienceAvengerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00855046387193200080noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3498725671447004370.post-71355683411611713552009-03-10T09:53:00.000-05:002009-03-10T09:53:00.000-05:00>"I hope the president fails BECAUSE I wan...>"I hope the president fails BECAUSE I want him to choose another option" is putting partisian politics ahead of the country.<BR/><BR/>And I admit, I'm working from a position of devil's advocate (and considering that my client is Rush Limbaugh...) I wasn't saying that Rush actually cares if the country is successful (I suspect that he feels more unemployed, pissed off people would be the best thing in his world for his ratings) or that he said what he said well. All I was saying was that hoping failure of your political opponents while wishing for the success of the country is not mutually exclusive.<BR/><BR/>Likewise, I'm not convinced that your sports analogy is wholly convincing since I've known plenty of sports fans who love a team but hate a particular player or coach. Steinbrenner and the Yankees come immediately to mind.<BR/><BR/>Tiger, Jindal wasn't actually saying that the Dems shouldn't try. He was saying that 'those Republicans over there failed but they didn't really espouse classical GOP policies'. This may be poor rationalization for giving them another try, but he is right that Bush cost the party a lot of Goldwater conservative.<BR/><BR/>Of course, the GOP is in the position of having virtual carte blanch for several years and making a complete mess of things. What is Jindal going to say? Rush is a dishonest mental deficient and doesn't seem to have have any loyalty to anybody but himself. But to say that you can't hope that you hope your political enemies fail so that the country can finally see how right you are is to ignore all the scheidenfreud that the liberals have indulged in since the election.memphistohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11294688818834943139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3498725671447004370.post-13878808920976400492009-03-09T11:08:00.001-05:002009-03-09T11:08:00.001-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.ScienceAvengerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00855046387193200080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3498725671447004370.post-65479777130827233182009-03-09T11:08:00.000-05:002009-03-09T11:08:00.000-05:00Memphisto,It's one thing to say "I wish the presid...Memphisto,<BR/><BR/>It's one thing to say "I wish the president would have chosen a different solution to the problem, because I think the alternative option will produce better results than the one he chose". Had Rush said this, I'd have had no problem with it. But saying "I hope the president fails BECAUSE I want him to choose another option" is putting partisian politics ahead of the country. It completely ignores the possibility of success of the president's chosen plan. <BR/><BR/>To continue my sports analogy, it's like a fan saying "I hope Coach Smith fails so they'll give Coach Jones a try, because I think Coach Jones will get us to the title game. The fan is completely ignoring the possibility that Coach Smith will succeed in that.ScienceAvengerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00855046387193200080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3498725671447004370.post-86574278193240410972009-03-08T18:55:00.000-05:002009-03-08T18:55:00.000-05:00Mem:That's the same attitude Jindal adopted in his...Mem:<BR/>That's the same attitude Jindal adopted in his terrible speech about the government's mishandling of Katrina. Just because the Republicans are a bunch of incompetent hacks and acted like it during their decade of government control doesn't mean that the Democrats shouldn't even try.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05033037481355303809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3498725671447004370.post-40171329260947434782009-03-08T10:56:00.000-05:002009-03-08T10:56:00.000-05:00DISCLAMER: Not a Republican. Don’t want Obama to f...DISCLAMER: Not a Republican. Don’t want Obama to fail. Hope the country is somehow able to ameliorate the damage to the economy done by (primarily) the banking industry.<BR/><BR/>Having said that, there still seems a big difference in saying you hope an administration that wants to greatly increase the role of government in the private economy to fail at that, while hoping that the country succeeds by a return to free market principles and limited government intervention. So it is possible to hope that a bad idea in government fails while hoping the country succeeds. In fact, hoping a bad idea fails is the same as hoping the country succeeds. <BR/><BR/>Both sides are lying about their aims since neither is actually in favor of government getting out of the way. The GOP is in favor of bailing out the affluent in the banking industry while the Dems are in favor of bailing out homeowners who made bad decisions about personal debt load. The problem is that in both cases government encouraged the bad behavior in the first place. Continuing to interfere now that the results of those policies have proved disastrous is the definition of insanity.memphistohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11294688818834943139noreply@blogger.com